Case Opened on 18:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Case Closed on 03:01, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

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Involved parties

AdamKesher (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
Tasc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
Barberio (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
Denis Diderot (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
Cerejota (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
Iorek85 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Deletion of WP:EL-compliant links to Israeli and Lebanese online journals, blogs, and news service photographs in the article 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict.

See also: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-07-25 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict/Archive 1
See also: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-07-25 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict
See also: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-08-02 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict Photographs
See also: Talk:2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict
See also: Talk:2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict/Archive9#External_Links
See also: Talk:2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict/Archive10#Front_Line_Photographs_Section_-_concerns_re_clear_breach_of_NPOV
See also: Talk:2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict/Archive13#External_links_2
See also: Talk:2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict/Archive16#External_links
See also: Talk:2006_Qana_airstrike#Mediation_on_WP:EL_External_Links_and_WP:V_news_service_photographs
See also: Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_July_30#Template:Unverifiable-external-links
See also: Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:Unverifiable-external-links
See also: Talk:2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict#Tasc_deletions
See also: Individual user talk pages (details below)

Requests for comment

Statement by AdamKesher

Both links to Israeli and Lebanese online journals, blogs, and news service photographs compliant with Wikipedia's policies WP:EL and others are being repeatedly deleted from the article 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict. I will simply use the mediator's language from second mediation attempt, after Barberio accused without justification the first mediator of mistakes:

"The links under question are:

closely related to the article itself
argued to be of a high standard (web collectives of writers, compendiums of news agency photos, etc.)
providing a unique resource of frontline observations beyond what the article can provide"

Furthermore, tasc insists on deleting WP:EL-complant links to online journals, blogs and news service photographs from article 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict without resorting to any talk page or mediation process. AdamKesher 16:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, my proposed solution to this dispute centered on a limited number of links:

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Frontline blogs

Israeli blogs

The Muqata جميل في المقاطعة — Israel@War: Special Edition at the Mukataa blog
Kishkushim — Written mainly by Carmia, a resident of Haifa
Idan Gazit — A New York born Israeli immigrant

Lebanese blogs

BloggingBeirut.com — Finkployd's and other's regular war dispatches from Beirut, as featured in the New York Times^[1]
Live from Lebanon Diaries — "Commentary, analysis, human rights and development information, and diaries from on the ground"
Lebanese Political Journal — In-depth analysis on the political situation in Lebanon
Beirut Spring — Personal commentary on the conflict, "trying to understand post-Syrian Lebanese politics and society"

Frontline photographs

Warning: Extremely graphic wartime imagery

CNN Photographs of the Israel Airstrike on Qana — Graphic photographs^[2] of Lebanese civilian casualties at the 2006 Qana airstrike
From Israel To Lebanon — Photographs of Lebanese civilian targets and casualties
Pictures From Qana — Graphic photographs of Lebanese civilian casualties at the 2006 Qana airstrike
Images of war in Israel — Graphic photographs of Israeli military and civilian casualties

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None of the other parties ever responded or explained about why specifically any one of these links does not satisfy WP:EL. AdamKesher 21:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In response to what Barberio has to say below, I simply note that this action was initiated after tasc repeatedly deleted links while ignoring the entire process and Barberio declared this process to be "stalled." Also, the language above was used both by me and the moderator to accurately represent the pro- position. Finally, I note that the content of Barberio's proposed compromise is the inclusion of a template, {{Unverifiable-external-links}}, that is proposed for deletion and has been used by Barberio himself to label these links "dubious", and to declare that the presence of this template means that the links should be "replaced":

"The template has had language added that makes it clear that these links should be replaced."

The effect of tasc's and Barberio's words and actions—either delete the links without discussion, or add a template that says that they should be replaced—hardly appear to represent a compromise position. Instead of replying to this reasonable response on the mediation page, Barberio declared the process "stalled" and now expresses bemusement now that it has been taken to the next level beyond mediation. The links either satisfy the exceptions of WP:EL or they don't. If there are other avenues that could resolve this dispute under these circumstances, I am certainly open to them. AdamKesher 15:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I note here tasc's deletion of these relevant links (11:11, 11 August 2006, 12:54, 11 August 2006, 13:20, 11 August 2006) to Israeli and Lebanese online journals, weblogs, and news service photographs, who states in the comment field,

As one example of tasc's attitude toward fellow editors and Wikipedia itself, I offer this exchange from Talk:2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict#Tasc_deletions:

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Today's reversions by Tasc: at 11:11, at 12:54, and at 13:20. Isn't there some Wikipedia policy about that behavior? Edison 13:31, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

of course there are! plenty of them! wanna play? -- tasc ^words_deeds 13:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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This behavior has been longstanding and has been done while consistently disregarding or mocking the talk, mediation, and now arbitration processes. AdamKesher 14:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Tom Zeller Jr. (2006-07-24). "Anne Frank 2006: War Diaries Online". The New York Times. Retrieved 2006-07-28.
^ "ISRAELI AIR ATTACK KILLS CIVILIANS". CNN. 2006-07-30.

Statement by party User:Barberio

Refactored myself since this was getting long --Barberio 00:30, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My position on the links involved has always been that they were not complaint with WP:EL, and should not be on the page. I was willing to accept a compromise offer of keeping a limited amount of links on the page under a warning. And that when editors found suitable replacements for the links which are compliant with WP:EL, they should be removed in preference to those links.

I don't expect the ArbCom to rule on this since it's outside of scope. The issue is already under discussion on Wikipedia talk:External links. And following a proposed consensus, the guideline has been edited by an uninvolved editor to remove the lines used to defend inclusion of the links. If this remains consensus, then I belive the content issue will have been settled by outside parties.

Responces to the various things brought up:

Edit waring on the article.

I did not take part in the Edit war that caused the original mediation, and this arbitration. My edits to the article were in line with what I belived the comprimise on allowing blog sites but under a warnng message that mediation had produced. I don't think I've been charged with edit waring by anyone.

As far as I can tell, I've not been accused of Edit waring, and I do not defend in any way the acts of edit waring by any other parties in this dispute.

Withdrawing from mediation.

I never withdrew from mediation. I commented that mediation had stalled only after Cerejota stated "I cannot possibly reach any agreement with someone as ill willed as Barbeiro, who has made a mockery of the process. Either take me out of this proceeding or move to ArbCom." and Adam followed up to concur.

I am willing to continue mediation, and belive I have reached an amiable compromise with Iorek85 to allow a limited set of blog links under a warning notice. (Altho, some more discussion might be needed over image collection sites)

I also feel the next step from the Mediation Cabal should have been a step to the formal Mediation Process, not abandonment of all mediation in favour of arbitration. As far as I can tell, no other form of dispute resolution was attempted, including failure to post an RFC on either the article, or any of the parties accused of wrong doing.

Asking for CP/M's recusal.

I asked for CP/M's recusal only after a series of what I viewed as mistakes made that impeded the mediation process. These mistakes have been listed on the /Evidence page with diffs.

I decided to gain some third opinion on the matter first from the Mediation Cabal's IRC channel. Something the Mediation Cabal recomends. I directed the people there to the mediation, and asked if I was warented in bringing it up for discussion. There was no decision made by the Mediation Cabal on what to do at this point. It was after this that I raised the issue in full on the Mediation Cabal Coordination Desk. CP/M had every opertunity at this point to dispute this. I'm not sure why he's waited till this aribtaration case to do so. I'm sorry if he feels I've damaged his reputation. No personal attack was intended, and I atempted to make the request as civil as I could in the circumstances.

If CP/M feels my actions were a personal attack on him, then I feel it's up to him to say so. I don't think Adam and Cerjota have standing to make any claim beyond 'Barberio asked for CP/M's Recusal'. Since I was willing to engage in mediation after this, and have reached a compromise with Iorek85, I don't feel that characterising this as atempting to 'gain an advantage' or 'mocking the mediation process' is fair.

Aside from apologising for any unintentional bad feeling CP/M may feel he has gained, I don't belive I have anthing to apologise for. I will not be withdrawing my comments on the Mediation Cabal Coordination Desk, since they are not intended as a personal attack, and I think it would be a stretch to say so. I did not, and do not, accuse CP/M or wilfull wrong doing or malice, but of making honest mistakes. I will admit that I made a mistake of my own when typing that out by stating 'none of the people', and this was an error that I will retract.

I've not edited the article itself since the 7th, and have no intent to do so again since it's clearly too hot an article to touch at moment.

Important Reminder - I will be away from Thursday the 17th until at least the 22nd. I'm now back.

Statement by party Denis Diderot

I don't really understand what this arbitration is about, so I don't know what to say. It seems to me that AdamKesher is merely using Wikipedia as a tool to promote his POV. The last time I edited the article was more than 2 weeks ago. I took part in the informal mediation and supported Barberio's creative proposal for a compromise. According to the description on this page the arbritration is about "[d]eletion of WP:EL-compliant links to Israeli and Lebanese online journals, blogs, and news service photographs in the article 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict." But I don't think they are "WP:EL-compliant" at all. That's why I removed them. I have explained my position on the article talk page and on the first mediation page here. CP/M has asked me if I could "[recuse myself] from editing the links in questioned pages for a few months" in order to achieve "a peaceful solution". That's perfectly fine with me, since I have in effect "recused myself" already, although I doubt if it would bring "peace". (Many of the original links were added by anonymous editors who don't participate in these proceedings. So they may be added again, and then someone will probably remove them while citing Wikipedia policies. Etc.)--Denis Diderot 08:50, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Iorek85

I agree these links should be in the article. They add a unique and important source (though NOT reference) for the war. However, I can see the use in the changes proposed by Barberio. Without knowing what blogs you consider reliable, is this what you are asking for?;

Conflict blogs

The following links are offered as suggestions for further reading only and have not been used as sources in the article.

Israeli blogs

The Muqata جميل في المقاطعة — Israel@War: Special Edition at the Mukataa blog
Kishkushim — Written mainly by Carmia, a resident of Haifa
Idan Gazit — A New York born Israeli immigrant

Lebanese blogs

BloggingBeirut.com — Finkployd's and other's regular war dispatches from Beirut, as featured in the New York Times^[1]
Live from Lebanon Diaries — "Commentary, analysis, human rights and development information, and diaries from on the ground"
Lebanese Political Journal — In-depth analysis on the political situation in Lebanon
Beirut Spring — Personal commentary on the conflict, "trying to understand post-Syrian Lebanese politics and society"

Frontline photographs

Warning: Extremely graphic wartime imagery

CNN Photographs of the Israel Airstrike on Qana — Graphic photographs^[2] of Lebanese civilian casualties at the 2006 Qana airstrike
From Israel To Lebanon — Photographs of Lebanese civilian targets and casualties
Pictures From Qana — Graphic photographs of Lebanese civilian casualties at the 2006 Qana airstrike
Images of war in Israel — Graphic photographs of Israeli military and civilian casualties

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Statement by Cerejota

First, from the start of the mediation process I established that while I believed the links should stay, this was an edit dispute and hence I thought the more appropiate place for this was the talk page of the article. However, I do agree that editor tasc consistently and in other articles refused to engage in reasoned community debate, prefering to just edit, usually with some vague explanation but sometimes with no explanation at all. So I understand Adam's frustation, yet I am not fully convinced this process (ie moderation and arbcom) are the way to go, even when I expressed that the moderation was not possible and that escalation might be in order. I am being ambivalent, but that is my honest position on this proceeding. If a consensus of admisn is that this proceeding has no merits, I can accept that, but I wasn't who raised it.

Now, Barbeiro raises some serious concerns, including feeling like he was personally attacked, which deserve, in my opinion, a serious reply.

I believe Barbeiro has indeed made a mockery of the moderation process because:

A compromise was offered which included links with a caveat template, which is a huge compromise as the links are both relevant and WP:EL and in some cases WP:RS compliant. This compromise was ignored in discussion. Shows a tendency to simply want the elemination of WP:EL rather than reach a compromise on NPOV. This refusal to either prove the links as not compliant to policy in a convincing way or accept the huge compromise presented mocks the moderation process.
Instead of discussing his problems with how the process was being carried out within the wiki, with its accountable diff system, community involvement and ability for asynchronous communication, he choose, by his own admission, to chat in IRC with unindentified moderators, with no accountability and no reliable record. I believe extrordinary things like a mediation process require one be extra careful, and not even give the impression of wrongdoing. By engaging in off-wiki, non-accountable discussions which didn't involve other people in the moderation process, Barbeiro possibly demonstrated bad faith, lack of respect and dishonesty towards those in the process, including myself. These discussions also give the appearance of wrondoing on the part of other moderators and definitely show that Barbeiro didn't belive in the good faith of others in the process enough to raise and discuss his concerns publicly. I feel personally insulted and mocked by this very action of not being honest and expressing his concerns in an accountable fashion that engages the community. It is a personal attack on all of us, including those who share his views. It also mocked the Moderation Cabal itself, putting its neutrality and questioning its usefulness. This back-handedness and lack of trust and collegiality mocks the moderation process.
His accusations against the moderator in this case are only substantiated with the correct view that the moderator expressed active support that the compromise solution was a good one (a limited set of bias-balanced links with a caveat template). Moderators do this all the time in the moderating process, without them coming under attack. As a matter of fact, I am involved in a moderation process myself where I feel the moderators have commented disfavorably against me, yet I don't mock the process by questioning the good faith of the moderators. If I raised a moderation, it is to move things to where uninterested parties can inform the debate, not to win. Barbeiro demonstrated that he could only accept as result of moderation having his position win. That mocks the entire process and makes impossible, by definition, reaching a compromise.
He could have refrained from what I view as launching a personal attack against the moderator in question (which should be invited into this process to hear him out, maybe he disagrees with my characterization of what was said as a personal attack) and asked civily and with respect to all of those in the process for the moderator to recusse himself. The illwill evident in his comments mocks the moderation process.

I have no personal ill will to Barbeiro, which I don't know, nor do I belive this to be a generalized behaivior on his part. But I cannot take part in a moderation process where one of the participants chooses to use backchannels, off-wiki conversations, and other unaccountable methods to difame a moderator, and in turn, predispose any substitute moderator to take up his position, lest he or she face his wrath.

Perhaps this is not what Barbeiro intended, but the immanent (in my opinion) Law of unintended consequences supports the view that his intention is irrelevant, what counts are the consequences, which was paving the way for this ArbCom proceeding to happen, by not trusting his fellow wikipedians, and mocking them by speaking behind their backs instead that in front of them.--Cerejota 04:59, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I reread Barbeiro's statement and two things become obvious:

I will strike item one of my response to his statement, as he is saying he is willing to reach a compromise. I apologize as I was under this impression.
He accuses me incorrectly of this: [described] my failure to accept their positions vertabim as 'Ill Will' and 'Mockery of the Mediation Process. I did no such thing. I was barely involved in the process and only jumped in when Barbeiro did the hings I go into detail above. I don't think our different views on something are "ill-willed" as I have stated before that edit conflicts are the secret recipe that makes wikipedia fingerlickin' good. From our disagreement, an agreement to disagree emerges with the consequence of a better encyclopedia than one written only with our respective views.

I state without reservation that I only see "ill will" and "mockery" in his actions and words against the moderator in the moderation process, and have rather extensively listed the reasons why above. Period.

His other opinions, while I do disagree with them, I belive to have been relatively civil and good willed.--Cerejota 05:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Preliminary decisions

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (4/0/0/0)

Accept Fred Bauder 05:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Accept, though not regarding all the content that has been presented here, but because editors who cannot collaborate well and participate in mediation may be banned from the article in question. Dmcdevit·t 06:39, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Accept. But the ArbCom cannot be expected to rule on content issues here. Charles Matthews 11:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Accept. - SimonP 14:04, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Temporary injunction (none)

Final decision

All numbering based on /Proposed decision

Principles

External links

1) Wikipedia:External links discourages links to sites which are not reliable sources or which are not suitable for permanent links due to their changing nature, such as blogs.